The Real Random Podcast: Where Real Estate Meets Real Life
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The Real Random Podcast: Where Real Estate Meets Real Life
Than Baardson | From Firefighter to Anti-Trafficking Advocate
What happens when a former firefighter in the Air National Guard turns his attention to the fight against human trafficking? Join us as we welcome Than Baardson, the inspiring CEO and co-founder of Unseen, who shares his remarkable journey and insights from his global anti-trafficking efforts. From the bustling streets of Fargo, North Dakota, to the heart of Seoul, Korea, and beyond, Than recounts his experiences, including light-hearted behind-the-scenes podcast moments, the quirks of live recording, and the relentless work of supporting partners in over 53 countries.
We explore the contrasting dynamics of life in Chiang Mai versus Bangkok, Thailand, and why Chiang Mai has emerged as a strategic hub for international partnerships. Than delves into personal stories that paint a vivid picture of the anti-trafficking landscape, including the harrowing rescue of children from ISIS and advocacy for Yazidi sex slaves at the UN. Through Unseen's unique approach of empowering smaller, vetted organizations, discover how financial barriers are broken down so that these groups can focus on their life-saving missions.
From engaging business communities in the fight against this heinous $150 billion industry to the importance of physical activities for mental clarity, this episode covers it all. Hear about the innovative Calling Guardians initiative, and learn how businesses can make a significant impact. Finally, Than opens up about the balance of running a lean non-profit while staying transparent and maintaining personal well-being. Get ready for an engaging and enlightening conversation filled with practical strategies, personal anecdotes, and a powerful call to action for systemic change.
We say that, like traffickers, have had about a 2,000 year head start. There are so many groups already engaged in the fight that know exactly how to make the biggest difference possible. Which kid do I feed today and which one has to go in this job opportunity I'm?
Speaker 2:trying to find where's our normal layout here, where we're four up. Oh, there it is, I got it.
Speaker 3:Gosh Ray, you are the tech guy.
Speaker 2:Sorry, you're supposed to have this together. This is episode four and we so in between. So you know, I do my Wednesday show and then I have like an hour to return all of the phone calls and to do all of the you know.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, don't act like you're popular right now. I have so many people trying to get in contact with me.
Speaker 2:I have 25 deals that are currently pending, and so in the morning and all this stuff happens, I'm doing normal business stuff and then I have to do the podcast and then in between there and now, I have an hour to return everything and eat, and so today I made the choice to return everything. So I got all the phone calls, everything. I'm a little shaky, but I'm ready to go.
Speaker 4:You should just do what I do and just eat on camera, because that's my thing that only works if Ray lets us all in so we can see you. I couldn't see anybody, so I had no idea what you were doing. That was so funny. There's no behind the scenes Instagram photo this week.
Speaker 3:No, I turned my camera off. I was like I don't know when I'm going to come back on, so I'm just going to have this off and do my own thing, not be judged by people that I can't see.
Speaker 2:That's so funny that you have no idea. Maybe you should have turned it on so we knew that all the audio worked.
Speaker 3:Well, there was that.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm going to. I'm going to make sure my videos on a 4k or whatever the highest def is that we got there.
Speaker 3:And 4k. I think it's just 10, 80.
Speaker 2:It's okay, it'll compress it down, it'll make us all level. All, all right uh, who's got the guest? I do, yay, which is why I asked at the beginning of all this is my guest, is your guest?
Speaker 3:backstage makes sense. So, yeah, our guest today could save your life or take you out. So mind your p's and q's today, guys wow he began as a firefighter in the Air National Guard, where he is still currently enlisted as a public affairs supervisor. He's a bit of a foodie and has seen a good chunk of the world. His company and Bobcat are the only companies with headquarters in Fargo and Korea the good side of Korea.
Speaker 3:Interesting Gotta specify when he is not spending time with his wife and kiddos. He is actively fighting against human trafficking. Please help me welcome Dan Bartson, the CEO and co-founder of Unseen Wow.
Speaker 2:Dan, hey guys, good to see you. Wow, it's good to see you, man. Thanks for joining us. Absolutely Congrats on the podcast. Thank you very much. It's been fun.
Speaker 4:That was quite an intro.
Speaker 2:Yeah. He can save your life or take you out.
Speaker 4:Bobcats, al for coffee. Where are we going, al? Should we be excited? Should we be terrified?
Speaker 3:It depends on you, it depends on what you're doing.
Speaker 4:Hopefully nothing bad.
Speaker 2:There you go. So Dan where do you live?
Speaker 1:I'm currently in Fargo, north Dakota.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you live where your headquarters are too.
Speaker 1:That's right. Yep, fargo has been our base. I would say we started in Fargo and Seoul, korea. We have partners actively working in 53 countries around the world and our headquarters are here by design, and it allows us to get away for the winter a little bit. Last year, family and I got to go live in Chiang Mai, thailand, for the month of January, so that's the plan again this year. I've been to Thailand a couple of times. I love it there. Did you get up to Chiang Mai, thailand, for the month of January? So that's the plan again this year.
Speaker 2:I've been to Thailand a couple of times. I love it there. Did you get up to Chiang Mai? No, we were in Bangkok the whole time. I went for two summers to Bangkok, All right.
Speaker 1:Well now you got an in. Let me know when you want to go.
Speaker 2:I know for real.
Speaker 1:I would love to. It is gorgeous, so it's a strategic place for us to locate as well, because if you go about a 400 mile radius, you are into a lot of countries that our partners are working in, and everybody comes to Chiang Mai. So we get a lot done when we're there.
Speaker 4:So Chiang Mai. Is that the place to go, not Bangkok?
Speaker 1:You know, Bangkok is not a great town. It's got some shady parts to it. Chiang Mai is quite the opposite it's a gorgeous place.
Speaker 2:We love it. Shady parts is an understatement for a lot of Bangkok. It's Bangkok.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We were at a university there for a couple of summers.
Speaker 1:Okay, I mean, yes, it's got some shady parts. Like any town, it is full of some incredible people and there's some some great stuff there as well.
Speaker 4:I'm writing down chiang mai. Not shady because we've never, been and we want to go, it's on the list and so, yeah, one of our, one of our old friends retired here. He's an old army guy and he retired his, he met his wife and he actually went to high school in thailand. So he went back as soon as he retired and he wants us to go visit. But I've never been, so I'm just I'll take him up on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's do you speak thai, or no?
Speaker 1:no, no, no, I uh I speak uh forming key relationships with people around the world. That can they could talk thai. Help me navigate?
Speaker 3:yes, that's very smart so how long I'm gonna outsource this all right, and becca may already have questions.
Speaker 2:So I don't want to. I don't want to step on your toes, but how long have you been doing Unseen?
Speaker 1:Unseen. We started in 2011 officially, I think early morning coffee shops were probably closer to 2010. And made the leap in 2011. Started working, I mean straight out of the gate, was about a 27-day trip across Thailand, Cambodia, Korea and actually into Burma, and so that's where some of those early partnerships formed really worked out. What is this support only style of fighting human trafficking look like? How do we get a model in place? And, yeah, from there, partners started coming out of the woodwork really, and we've gotten just an amazing front row view of some of the greatest work on the planet.
Speaker 2:That's incredible and something that's largely not talked about again until recently.
Speaker 1:Something that's largely not talked about again until recently yeah, look at it from even the political side is the State Department didn't have the Trafficking in Persons Office in place until the year 2000. And so we say that traffickers have had about a 2,000-year head start, if not more. Wow. And so for those on the anti-trafficking side, they need to be well funded and well connected, because traffickers are certainly well funded I mean, this is $150 billion a year criminal activity and they're incredibly well networked. So we're here to serve partners who are already engaged in the fight, who are ready to grow. We're support only so we give them everything that they need to go, increase their capacity, raise more dollars and help more kids.
Speaker 3:Would you say that that's one of the key differences between Unseen and some of these other trafficking awareness or fighting programs is that you guys are focused mainly on supporting other smaller organizations versus like going in doing everything yourselves.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Yep, we are support only, and that is by design, cause what we found was there are I mean, there are so many groups already engaged in the fight that know exactly how to make the biggest difference possible. But when you've got a line of, let's say, a hundred kids needing help, oftentimes they're not prioritizing marketing pieces, the fundraising materials to break out of their own cycles of poverty to ultimately go help more people, and so they're stuck in their own financial room. We get to come alongside these vetted partners. Once they make it in, they are in and it works. Last year, we saw a 973% return on every dollar that we invested into our projects, and we're measuring that continued impact as well. So it's not just hey, let's cut checks and throw it in this great wishing well and slap a job well done sticker on the side of it. Our team is involved with every step of this. I mean walking with our partners, helping them grow and then cheering them on. Then we get to exit them and watch them fly and do amazing things. That's so cool.
Speaker 3:That's amazing. Now when you say exit them. What does that mean? What does that look like?
Speaker 2:Yeah, good question, we're kicking you out of the program.
Speaker 1:I mean essentially, yeah, we don't want our, our partners to have to be relying on us forever, right, so they get to go and once they've got that stable base and their funding is growing. I mean, we just saw one of our partners, Becca. I might have told you so. We partnered up with them probably six years ago and they have just been flying through our system like every single piece. We've given them videos, like everything.
Speaker 1:This is a group working in the Middle East and North Africa. They are doing absolutely game-changing work. I mean, from rescuing children from cages that were being held by ISIS to representing Yazidi sex slaves at the UN. This organization is doing absolutely incredible work. But they were completely stuck in their funding. Like every family member, every business that they knew. Everybody was giving to their capacity and they didn't have a chance to go and invite others to this incredible work. Well, like I said, we gave them, I mean, everything that we could produce. We were, and the team is doing outstanding work. This last year they raised over $4.3 million. They led the civilian evacuation of Afghanistan and are just spreading to do more and more and more great work. That's why we're support only and that's how we can bring businesses from across the country directly to the fight against human trafficking and do it in a way that we can measure and that's going to do the most lasting good.
Speaker 3:I know that's bringing businesses to the fight. That's one of the ways that we got connected was at the Hatch Conference Summit last summer. We did this whole charity auction that all the proceeds went to unseen, but I'd never heard about it before that weekend, and so it was really amazing to be able to be introduced to this organization, because I know I've been very passionate about human rights and women's rights and all that stuff. So you always see this stuff, you want to be able to be involved in it, but I cannot go out and save somebody or put together a sting or do any of this crazy stuff that you see people doing on social media now and all this stuff. So having this ability to, I guess, have some sort of impact on what's happening without having to put myself in danger is really nice and it's really incredible what you guys are doing. And let me stop rambling because I can get too passionate about this.
Speaker 4:It's not the Rebecca show If, if I can ask a question. So with everything that you see, I mean this is obviously a huge problem and there's just so many people affected by it. But when these organizations reach out, what is their biggest need? Like are you seeing, like there's one thing that is like the big need, or is it just a whole gamut of things?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean the short answer is finances right Like it's. They are not in it for the money, and that's clear. The you know a good visual is the organizations that we're dealing with are often having to tell the kids that are just outside their reach, like hold on, helps, help's on its way For us to be able to come in and say yes to a partner, because, yeah, becca dove in, threw her number up at the auction and was all in for this thing that night. The Hatch Summit raised $400,000 in about 45 minutes for Unseen.
Speaker 1:We saw business owners from across the country like not okay with the fact that we have 13 and a half million kids living in slavery and then stepping up and doing something about it, Cause when we get to say yes to a partner, they get to go say yes to that kid who's just outside their reach and again, it's really, really difficult for a partner to qualify for an unseed partnership. So these are highly vetted organizations that again have a history of success and a clear vision for growth, Like that's what we're looking for. And so when we find those awesome groups ready to go, it's like all right, if funding is what you need, we can help solve some of those, those issues for you and you're going to get funding. People are going to say yes, We've seen it happen time and time again, and then they get to go out and reach more.
Speaker 1:That is the simple answer, though I mean because our partners are working the whole gamut, from prevention like let's keep kids out in the first place to protection and aftercare, like after there is a trafficked event, how do we get those kids and families safe, recovered and on the road to health? Then they get into prosecution. So how do we get the bad guys and actually get them locked away. And finally we have partners that deal with system and law change, Like how do we disincentivize slavery as an industry, how do we make it harder to traffic people, how do we make it less profitable? And so you can see on that spectrum, that's the portfolio of unseen. So, yes, finances like we need stable funding for unseen partners, but also they're working out those those very complex details on what else is involved in fighting trafficking and where are you from originally.
Speaker 2:I'm from right around here, so uh, yep, well, your name's unique fan is unique name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when I'm in uh, thailand, like it's actually a thai name. Uh, people don't really know what to call me. It's short for nathaniel nathaniel, okay, okay, that.
Speaker 2:So when, when you're growing up you know you get involved with, did you get involved with military first or firefighting first?
Speaker 1:Yes, and so it's. Yeah, I was actually down at the Lewis F Garland fire Academy on Goodfellow air force base in Texas, so I was a firefighter with the air national guard.
Speaker 2:I took firefighter training back way back in the day.
Speaker 1:Not that far. I could see that glimmer in your eye. I knew this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought it was so cool.
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 2:thought was the coolest part of this. I mean, this is like really derailing the conversation here, but the gear is really cool.
Speaker 1:It is until you're like hour 12 and having to wear it in Texas heat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah I didn't have to do all that much. It was for a volunteer. I used to live out in the country and there was a volunteer fire department, so I volunteered to go for a couple of days. But so, um I, how did you get involved with the human trafficking side? Like what, yeah, where's, where's the, where's the path that you were on that went? I'm gonna go over here the path would be my co-founder.
Speaker 1:So, like we said, fargo and Seoul, right, she was involved with a lot of underground documentation of girls who had been trafficked a lot from the Philippines and we connected. I said, hey, here's the idea. She said, all right, well, we got a lot of work to do and we hit the road from there. I found myself very quickly interviewing two little girls who, uh, at five and seven, uh, their mom owed a $300 debt, uh in Northern Thailand to a gentleman in Bangkok and they were the collateral for that debt. And the only reason that these two little ones were not in a horrible, horrible spot was Unseen's partner that said these kids aren't going to get sold, we're going to do everything in our power to keep them safe, and they did just that. So, sitting across from these two little ones in a gorgeous teak school that they were a part of in Northern Thailand, surrounded by people who were champions for them and doing everything that it took to keep them safe Like that was my real introduction to the anti-trafficking world.
Speaker 2:I'm going to share the a couple of images from your website. It's 50 million people. It affects an estimated 50 million people. It remains the top three criminal industries in the world, generating $150 billion annually. That is nuts. What is wilder to me, I guess, is until this recent movie that came out, which I want to ask you some questions regarding that too. But until that recent movie came out, it was for the most part something that is not focused in a lot. Why do you think that is, when people are so passionate about children and education and all kinds of stuff? Why is this something that people just kind of turn a blind eye to?
Speaker 1:I don't know if I'm the right person to answer that one. I truly don't know, and I've been asking that question for 12 years now, because when you do know what's going on, I mean there's the classic line, like you can't say that you didn't know anymore, Right. So then then it becomes all right, now what? And the movie has opened up a lot of great conversations about, like how do we actually end trafficking? Like what's driving this? Why are all these kids so vulnerable? Why is this huge jump? I mean we just jumped from 40 to 50 million people in slavery. That covers labor trafficking, sex trafficking and forced marriage. Forced marriage wasn't even considered a form of trafficking until recently. Really, yeah, yeah, and that one, I mean. Oh, we could talk for days, but we're seeing some really encouraging things on that front.
Speaker 1:We have a partner that was simply bringing in education opportunities to little girls and that was driving child marriage down, eliminating it, Because all of a sudden, you just educated 50% more of your population and these little girls were adding tremendous value to their communities. And so you're seeing radical Islam down, You're seeing child marriage down and education rates are up. We live in a constant tension. Right, we have the tension of. We are celebrating every single kid that, uh, that we get out of this, Every mom that doesn't have to be put in these really, really horrible choices like which kid do I feed today and which one has to go in this, you know job opportunity that they know or don't, where it ends Like. We celebrate every victory that we get, but we also know that we are firmly planted in a very broken world and we've got a lot more work to do.
Speaker 3:I was really surprised when I read on the website that the majority of the trafficking is for like labor and having workers, because I don't think we necessarily think about that aspect of it. I think when you think of trafficking, most people are thinking about sex. Think about that aspect of it. I think when you think of trafficking, most people are thinking about sex, slavery and that type of stuff. But it's what was it like? 39% or maybe it's 50% of it is more for having labors forced labor.
Speaker 1:It's kind of interesting. There's a couple of reasons for that. Sex trafficking accounts for just 12% of all trafficking globally. 12%, however, it's the most profitable and it's the most prevalent here in the US, or it's the most reported. So I think that is obviously a big one.
Speaker 1:The other one, I think, is we all like cheap stuff, yeah, like it's an economics play, and so you know, until we're ready to ask some really difficult questions and even if we are asking those questions, I don't think we always want to know the answer, and history has shown that we're probably not going to change that much when it comes to our spending habits. Um and so you know, hey, if you don't want your lettuce to be 40 bucks a head, well, somebody else is figuring it out, it's somebody else's problem, and that's where you know this isn't a, this isn't a matter of it's all on the government, it's all on police or it's all on nonprofits. Like it has to be a combination of all of those efforts, with the backing of business owners and people who actually want to see kids in a better spot working together. So that's where we get this awesome vantage point right. It's like we just get to invite everybody to the party.
Speaker 4:Like all right.
Speaker 1:Becca, you're already in the party. Great, here's what your dollars did, and I don't know if you're getting our impact reports, but we've got quarterly reports now with one of our projects that two entrepreneurs actually very recently started called Calling Guardians. That is simply asking business owners across the country to join a dollar a day per employee. Fight against trafficking Like that's it a day per employee. Fight against trafficking Like that's it. Stupidly simple and completely frictionless, so like okay. So not all of us are as big as Microsoft. We don't have the HR power that that company has, but Microsoft has a great employee match program. Any employee that donates, you know Microsoft will donate a dollar. Well, this has flipped all of that upside down to say you don't have to do a thing, get out of bed and come to work, and a dollar. Well, this has flipped all of that upside down to say you don't have to do a thing, Get out of bed and come to work and a dollar's going to fight human trafficking.
Speaker 1:Quarterly report goes out. It's awesome. Yeah, that's just calling guardians, that's it. So they bought callingguardianscom and they are on a kick to get as many businesses jumping into this thing as possible. It's really cool because then we get to send a quarterly impact report out, to, say Becca, and you get to send it to all of your employees. So your admin that is killing it day in and day out. All of a sudden it's not just about coming in, answering the phone and sending emails. You get to put some purpose behind why your team is getting out of bed and going to work every day.
Speaker 3:And it's so simple it's a dollar a day.
Speaker 1:That's it.
Speaker 3:It's not like breaking the bank, but it makes such a huge difference across the world. Oh, it's huge In what you guys are doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's massive, because that gives my team the stability and the predictability to be able to say yes and be strategic in our approach for those that we we need to get commitments to.
Speaker 4:You mentioned earlier at the uh the hatch thing, you guys raised like $400,000. Could you put like a like, what impact did that amount of money have? Like could you say, like we ran, we we supported two places and they ran five missions and saved a hundred. Like, could you put something like that to that amount?
Speaker 1:Uh, not simply, uh, not that easily, but I can say that that was a significant chunk of our budget and this last year, our partners, uh, directly served over 136,000 people around the world. Wow, and so, uh, the math is there, um, but like that was a massive impact for us last year. Plus, it was an amazing night. I mean, ben Kinney and a guy named Andrew Abernathy split a $55,000 pie together.
Speaker 3:Store-bought apple pie.
Speaker 1:I was like the estimated value of this is like $8, and it was made within the last four days. Just went way up Opening bid $5,000.
Speaker 4:It was all Cool Whip on it, or was it just?
Speaker 2:That would have been extra. Yeah, because the Cool. Whip would have been the real kick.
Speaker 1:I don't even know if they ate the pie. That was one of Ben's caveats was we will eat this in front of everyone right now.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 4:I missed that part.
Speaker 3:clearly it's awesome.
Speaker 4:And I only ask that question because sometimes, when there's these, it's such a big thing, right? We're talking about all of these people all around the world, and sometimes it just becomes something that's too big where people think that their donation doesn't have an impact. Oh, what can I do? I'm just one person and so I only ask because, hearing that 400,000, big part of the budget 136, I mean that's huge. You're not taking hundreds of millions of dollars. 400,000. For a lot of the people in our industry that's a year's income and to affect that many people.
Speaker 3:that's insane. Yeah, I mean to hear that $ dollars can save two children from being sold, that's simple like how could we not give three hundred dollars to save one person, much less two?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's so funny how that, uh like, we forget that when it's not directly in front of us, and I'm guilty of that same thing like this. This is not a you know. Everybody else needs to step up, like when you're sitting across from the kid that has just been rescued. One of the gentlemen that bought that pie actually joined us in Chiang Mai, thailand, this last year and I got to introduce him to some of the people that he's been impacting that you were impacted, becca, by by given as well. I and he got to see the full, the full scale of. I mean, he was speaking in the children's home with the little girls who've been kept out of trafficking and will be kept out and we'll have a chance to go to college and all these amazing things. Uh, he also got to be a part of investigations that night that we were out and we saw three pedophiles that were looking for little kids bragging about the seven and eight year olds that they had just bought the night before.
Speaker 3:Disgusting.
Speaker 1:It's, it's right there, and once you see it, once you get that invitation, then then it's on you like okay, we have 13 and a half million kids waiting for help right now. This is not the biggest check in the world. This is what are you going to do. Here's your invitation. What's your response?
Speaker 3:I know you have kiddos and they're obviously seeing some of what you're doing. How much do they really know about all of this and how much are you kind? Of shielding them from yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a. It's. That's a great question and one that my wife and I are. You know we'll talk through and they they're picking up on a lot. They're seven to nine now and so they know that unseen helps kids. That's kind of of what they. They leave it at is unseen works with great people and they help kids and we're fine with it there, I mean my seven-year-old.
Speaker 3:You don't necessarily need to terrify them about what's out there.
Speaker 1:I mean they got to come with to thailand and they got to go to the children's home. So my daughter was a hit at the girls' home. She disappeared. They just surrounded her and then she came back with her hair in an updo with flowers and she was just having a ball. Not so much for my nine-year-old son.
Speaker 2:He didn't get an updo and he went. That's funny yeah.
Speaker 1:So you know, it's one that it's really cool being able to just introduce our kids to the fact that you can do great work right. Look at all these people that Unseen gets to work with. They've got families their kids are involved with. You know, just being a part of some of the family business. The family business just happens to include, like, taking care of a lot of people and, yeah, it's been really fun just to be able to have them as a part of it.
Speaker 2:How do you run a company like this, because I assume like a huge part of your focus has to be on running lean. I just looked at your About Us page and there's like six, nine people, which that's pretty lean given the breadth of the organization that you're running. How do you run an operation like this when you know 300 bucks will save two kids and you're determining like well, should we buy this thing or not? Yeah, like that's like how do you not have that gut-wrenching feeling all the time I need a new camera, but do I really need a new camera? How do you manage that in just thought process? And also practically, how do you run so lean in order to give more where it needs to go?
Speaker 1:We love contractors Love contractors for a couple of reasons, and this has been since day one for a couple of reasons. And this has been since day one because getting networked with some incredible talent gave us a shot to. It was our chance to produce the highest quality products out there. So I could hire a really talented let's just say video guy. At what? 200,000 bucks a year, or I could let the Discovery Channel pay that bill, keep them sharp in their game and then give them a chance to be a part of some really amazing projects, but one a year, one every five years, whatever it is.
Speaker 1:And so our creative network is across the nation with some absolutely just amazing people, but you're not going to see them fully employed on our website. Because, one, yes, you're right, we need to keep things lean. But two, it's just a better way to operate. And yeah, you know, unlike a lot of businesses, our stuff gets published and people are very aware of certain organizations out there that have, unfortunately, just wasted donor dollars, and that's not what we are interested in at all. So that's why, if you go to our annual report, that's where you'll see the financials are really transparent, and not only are we looking at what we spend, but we're asking that question of what's the true impact here. Uh, dan Pallotta had a great Ted talk on this. He said we've become so obsessed with asking about the size of the pot, like the size of the slice, that we forget to ask how big the pie is. I think his example was you could uh pizza.
Speaker 2:Did he talk about the extra extra large pizza and the small pizza?
Speaker 1:Was it him that did?
Speaker 2:that.
Speaker 1:No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2:I always have a food frame of reference for a lot of analogies.
Speaker 1:He described a bake sale. He said you could be running a bake sale, right, we're going to start this thing to raise money to fight trafficking, and I could spend $40 on ingredients and raise $400. And people might go, wow, your administrative costs are really low, okay. Or I could spend a million dollars, go out and raise $50 million and people could say, wow, that is oh. Boy, you spent a million dollars to go do something, without forgetting hey, you just raised $50 million, or I think his example is maybe even, let's just say, egregiously 25 million to go raise 50. If you're not looking at the impact, uh, you're forgetting what's really important here. So we do, we do track all of that and that's why we have included those ROIs, you know, cause we want to see like our products should be working. So were they? Yes, they are.
Speaker 3:That's cool. I'm not going to leave that question unanswered. They are working.
Speaker 2:We'll answer that question right away. So you have created. If someone wants to volunteer to work with you as a creative, what do they do?
Speaker 1:yeah, uh, if you go to our website I think there's on the get involved section uh, there's just an application process for uh folks to apply.
Speaker 3:Uh like the freelance is going to be applying yep. There it is, in a few minutes I'm pretty rad at canva.
Speaker 2:my friend, friend, hey, jump on in.
Speaker 1:Canva's great.
Speaker 2:There you go. So make a difference. Here's the little thing to apply. So I just went to the website. At the very top it says freelance. You can click that and walk yourself through there. So there you go View our products. There you go. We're currently recruiting graphic designers, web flow designers, plus developers in other positions Film and photography. Recruiting graphic designers, web flow designers, plus developers and other positions film and photography yeah, that seems like a.
Speaker 2:I mean, this seems like a no brainer for somebody that wants to kind of express a more creative storytelling side of their profession. Meanwhile, they stand behind a camera all day shooting the news, or they stand behind a camera all day shooting these business owners that have no idea what they want to do, but they're trying to create a sizzle reel to sell something. And then there comes a point in that videographer's career where their creative is not scratched and they have to find that, and so a lot of them will do their own independent projects or will find something, but this would be a great resource for that, just to kind of let that outlet be creative. I love this idea. I wish I was a better videographer.
Speaker 1:I wish I was too.
Speaker 3:You mentioned the Discovery Channel earlier and I know that before all of this you were like a documentary filmmaker, you were a broadcast journalist. Is that where you got established, with a lot of these different connections that you have?
Speaker 1:Yeah, in the earliest days it was, and I think I knew enough to be dangerous enough to have conversations with folks. But I joke that my biggest contribution has been not being that great at anything but being able to ask for a lot of help and so, early on, getting to just conferences we were at'd just walk up to guys with nice gear. Talk about hey, great lens, I know where you got that one. Do you want to go to the Philippines and go do some awesome work? Great, that's how our friend Eli got involved. Now he runs Shark Tank or Shark Week and is doing adventure films around the world. Yeah, it's amazing, that's cool.
Speaker 3:So you just know how to target the right people ask the right questions.
Speaker 1:I'm just good at finding really great people and surrounding myself with them constantly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Is that kind of your main thing with Unseen is creating those connections or connecting different people together to get it all done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, that's a big part of it. Yeah, Is I mean? One of my friends likes to joke that, uh, a lot of us in, uh these like nonprofit leadership roles it's a very simple job type or job description of just figure it out, that's kind of it, Just all right. Here's the clear vision Um, go figure it out, Go make it happen, that's it. I love it.
Speaker 3:That's kind of it, just all right here's the clear vision um go figure it out, go make it happen that's it I love it.
Speaker 4:That's kind of like my favorite advice, where I just say do better I'm not going to give you any specifics, just don't do that do better shirt with that on it actually do you really? Yeah, I do it's a it was actually, uh, rayman, uh beard, uh was it. Uh, I think it's big. It's a beard company owned by a bunch of guys very much like ray and one of the taglines is just do better.
Speaker 3:So I was like oh I like that shirt, that's my good shirt, yeah, but it sounds like to go with it I already had the beard.
Speaker 4:That's why I was searching beard company. Come on becca chicken egg. It was aspirational purchase yeah but it sounds like what then does is the same thing we do, right? We don't really do. We just connect and figure it out. Maybe we should all start an organization and we can just figure it out?
Speaker 1:No, you don't need to. I actually started a great one.
Speaker 2:You can just support that Sounds like he's got a pretty good one, right.
Speaker 3:The model sounds like he's got a pretty good one.
Speaker 1:Right, the model has been built. We don't need to rebuild it. If you are, if you're looking for another cool shirt, you just uh, we've got a group that's riding bikes across america for unseen right now. Oh, that's right. It's called team bat, team bike against traffic. Oh, okay, uh, quick plug. They got awesome stickers and they made shirts that say do something. That does something.
Speaker 4:I like that, I like that a lot.
Speaker 1:They are picking up steam. Yeah, they started all of it themselves. They approached us and they said hey, we want to do this, would that be okay? We said we have so much work to do. Yes, and it's an amazing group of just very cool people. Ray, did you find it?
Speaker 2:yet, yeah, I found it. It's hilarious, though, because I thought so. I was searching. I was like, no, that can't be it. That can't be it, because what I was looking at is something called bike against traffic, and that is what you said. But when you think about biking against traffic, so I love that they, that's a great. Uh, as far as biking culture goes, that's a really great one. So, yeah, this is their, this is their Instagram bike against traffic nonprofit, fighting human trafficking through biking uh, currently cycling coast to coast. This is great.
Speaker 1:They actually had a documentary filmmaker from, I want to say, switzerland. I took an extended leave from his full-time job and is documenting their entire ride and is going to be putting it into a film.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:It's so crazy.
Speaker 4:That's very cool that you know. It's like you're grabbing someone with a cool lens and taking them to the Philippines. Now you get this guy from you know, halfway across the world coming over to document these guys riding bikes over here. It's just, it's nuts how you know, just in today's world you can connect with someone clear across the world on something that just kind of hits you right in the feels, you know, and just go help.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, no, absolutely, and it's almost like there aren't many excuses left. We're kind of out of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, seriously, especially as widespread as the message is, as widespread as it's becoming and the more people that are becoming aware of it and the more that it's out there. There's really no excuse to continue to operate how some of these companies, american companies, are operating, even.
Speaker 3:Yes, but as long as people are putting their dollar with those companies.
Speaker 2:Consumer demand. Yeah, they're going to keep doing that.
Speaker 3:So I know you guys have been doing this. What? 13 years Dan.
Speaker 1:Roughly yeah, probably 12 on the safe side.
Speaker 3:What do you see as the future of Unseen, or where are you guys wanting it to go from here?
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh it's. I mean we just had 18 new applications for partnership covering, I think it was, 16 countries. Like there is not a shortage of work to be done, the opposite. And you know, I think on the encouraging side, we are seeing business owners across the country step up A lot of them from Real I didn't realize that Real was in all caps Like oh, that and it has been so cool.
Speaker 1:I mean, eric hatch has just inspired so many people to like lead with generosity and a lot of folks are following that same model. And so you know we have pockets in Denver, in Scottsdale, up into Portland, oregon, and I mean stretching across the country, of people who are really not okay with the number of people that are trafficked, looking for answers, asking great questions and then just taking a stand and fighting human trafficking, and so the future is looking very bright Again. It's that tension, right, it's very bright because it is against a very dark backdrop and we're aware of just how much we have to do and inviting everybody to come and be a part of it.
Speaker 3:I have so many more questions about all of this, of course, and like you said before, we could probably discuss all of this for days and days, but also mindful of your time, so is there anything else that you want us to be like really focusing on? I know we have Calling Guardians, which is, like you said, dollar a day per employee, is a great way to raise money for Unseen. Is there any other way that we as business owners and leaders in our community can be getting involved with this?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think callingguardianscom is probably going to be a great one. If you just want more info, if you want to take a deep dive, the website that y'all have been bringing up is a great place to start. So that's just the Unseen website, weareunseenorg and we've had businesses that have been surprising us too hosting their own fundraisers, just getting little groups together talking about what they can do, and then oftentimes it takes one person saying, hey, we're not okay with this, we're going to do something. And then you realize, hey, everybody else is actually kind of on that same page and so, yeah, if you want to get involved, shoot us a note, let me know. Our team is great about just getting in contact. We've got press materials if you want to host your own fundraiser, but, again, probably the easiest one the panic button is just hitting that Calling Guardians submit form, and that's a great way to get instantly involved I'll share that, uh, so people can see what that looks like wait there it is sorry.
Speaker 2:So bring your team to the fight against human trafficking. One dollar a day per employee to fight human trafficking. So you just click the join now and go right.
Speaker 1:That's it, yep quarterly impact report gets uh sent directly to your team after that.
Speaker 3:Ray Rick, do you guys have any final questions for Sam before we let him go off and continue saving the world?
Speaker 4:Not a question, but just kind of as a side note. I've got some friends of mine who are former military that are involved in some of these organizations that disappear and come back with kids every now and again, and so just on their behalf, I just want to thank you for doing this, because I know for them the support enables them to carry out those missions. So, yeah, I was unaware of you guys until just now, so I've already signed up for emails and I sent your website to my wife because she's in charge of the donations. But no, this is awesome. So, yeah, a huge thank you, oh well, thank you guys.
Speaker 2:I think it's pretty rad because oftentimes we see kind of the rescue side and when we do hear of it, that's kind of the part that we hear, but what you don't hear is everything that went in to make that happen, Like the cabs that were paid for and everything that is just covered. So, yeah, I appreciate what you're doing, for sure On a less well, it's not really business because it's not for profit but on a less businessy side of it, what do you? You're running this. You have a lot going on. Where do you find time to like chill? And then, when do you do? What do you do?
Speaker 1:I think I running this, you have a lot going on. Where do you find time to like chill? And then, when do you do? What do you do? Uh, I I think I'm doing an okay job of it. Uh, my wife may disagree, um, but heard, yeah, you know it's uh, we are absolutely loving just getting to hang out with our kiddos. Um, yeah, I'm uh in jujitsu as well, so that's's been a, it's been a blast yeah. Uh, blue. I got my blue in February.
Speaker 4:Yeah, very nice. I'm four stripes on my white belt, so I'm not blue. Yeah, I feel like I have.
Speaker 1:I've got five stripes on my white belt. That's about it. Uh, yeah, and so I've been loving just that. And, uh, craig rochelle's uh great speaker, leadership coach, all that and he said, uh, you should really have one thing that keeps you constantly humbled, and for him it was jujitsu. I was like yep, that, uh, that is way too accurate.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, that's phenomenal, uh, enjoying that one thing that keeps you humbled, that's's great.
Speaker 3:Go get beat up.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's it. That's what you just would do when the new kid rolls in and you know like chokes you out in the first 30 seconds.
Speaker 1:That humbles you real quick, that's my first question is like hey man, welcome to the gym. How many years have you wrestled? Like eight, I'm in trouble.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I'm in trouble. Yeah, the cauliflower here Something something.
Speaker 1:But yeah, we're working on that whole balance game. Grown Unseen is an absolute blast as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It really. You know, I've heard people say well, it doesn't really feel like work when you enjoy what you do. And that is whenever you get to that point where you really love what you do and you love the parts. It is hard to pull away because you do enjoy it. It's like it does kind of become the hobby. You know the thing that I've picked up recently? I do crossfit. That keeps me humbled.
Speaker 4:But I've picked up golf recently.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm late, and I'm late in life at golf and that like I don't know what is wrong with my hands. Why is the ball going like a totally different?
Speaker 4:direction than what means to get who needs that amount of stress in their life.
Speaker 3:I mean golfers Just got a foot wedge, that's all.
Speaker 2:Well, so the funny part for me, though, is so many people think that type of thing is stressful, but when you're dealing with a lot and even though I enjoy real estate right now, like I was saying in the pre-show, we had like 25 deals pending, and there's just a lot going on and even a couple of text messages that I had to respond to, so all that is happening, but you can step away from something and forget about it for like 30 minutes to an hour, and then, when you look at it again, your eyes are different you see it with a different perspective completely, because you've gone and kind of dealt with something that maybe does humble you a little bit, but it's just a.
Speaker 2:it's an exercise, whether it be physical or mental, that has nothing to do with everything that's going on, and for me that's better than stepping away and trying to get a drink or stepping away and just trying to take a breath.
Speaker 2:That doesn't do anything for me. It doesn't clear my mind. I'm still thinking, thinking, thinking. So if I can do something that's relatively physical and difficult, then and I'm not saying that a lot of people are golf's, not a sport, it's not very hard. Okay, maybe you're right, but it is hard, it's hard to do. For me, it's very hard to do correctly. So when you can step away and focus on something that's difficult for a while, then when you look back at the stuff you're dealing with every day, that seems way easier, and that was one thing I loved about jujitsu, though it's not just the physical aspect.
Speaker 4:And then you can test this. It's such a mental chess game, like when you're on the mat and you're fighting for position and grips and I mean it's you're, you're constantly defending against 15 different attacks and thinking about I mean it really is, it's. It's as mentally exhausting as it is physically exhausting, and that was the kind of release and the getaway that I needed to complete Cause you can't think about the deal or the client or cause. Your brain is, I mean, if you don't focus, that kid's going to choke you out, and you're going to wake up five minutes later with, like, the coach fanning you like, hey man, you're okay.
Speaker 2:And nobody wants to smell this. Think about the deal I was like he's on your back choking you out.
Speaker 4:You're like no, that's not going to work.
Speaker 2:Very much so.
Speaker 4:You still do it, rick. I took some time off because I get injured and now that I'm turning 50 this year, I'm just wondering is the attention You're turning 50?
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's tired of getting choked out by 16-year-olds. You look so young.
Speaker 2:Thanks, man.
Speaker 4:You look so young to. Maybe that's why you look young. No, yeah, I turned 50 this year, so I I don't know if the threat of injury is worth? I don't know. I'm trying to, you know, check some balance evaluate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, I mean I want to travel and getting the senior donna actually has a really good series on jujitsu as you're getting older, yeah, and yeah talks about because I mean I got my weird jujitsu fingers now and so yeah, it was actually really helpful.
Speaker 4:That's a thing. Yeah, yes, because the grips are so hard. It's fun.
Speaker 1:It's awesome For you guys. It's really fun yeah. This sounds horrible You're going to get choked out, you're going to get weird fingers.
Speaker 4:Like what is enjoyable about this.
Speaker 3:We tell you all the bad stuff, but then we love it.
Speaker 4:It's great.
Speaker 2:I was in, I was I was in martial arts of like three different kinds of martial arts growing up for like 14 years. I loved it. But there is there is a point where you're like that's kind of, that's kind of making me look weird I think everybody on that note, everybody should try it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, at least everybody should do jujitsu, everyone should wait tables and I think everyone should do like a tour in the military.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 4:Yep Check, check, check. Yes, I think, if everyone's got it all.
Speaker 1:And you know I will say this there's a, there's something really special happening in real estate right now, and maybe it's just the great people that I've been surrounded by, but I it's not isolated to one part of the country, it's not isolated to one company. Do you all know Nick Shivers? I got a. Nick is a buddy that I met through our friend, eric. Nick called me the other day. He goes hey, I like to pick one home every quarter and let people do whatever they want with my commission. He had just sold this monster up in Portland and turned it over to his client and he said you know, hey, I really like this group Unseen, and we just get a $25,000 check because Nick gave up this mega commission and does that every quarter.
Speaker 1:Like, nick is another one of those guys leading with generosity. But now that's cool. That is no longer a one-off case, like we're seeing this really cool thing happen and, uh, it's just, it is such an honor to to be a part of. So thank you guys for uh, giving me the platform here today and share a little bit. And again, congrats on the podcast. This is really fun. Thanks, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and thanks for giving us the opportunity and the ability to be involved in this as well. We really appreciate it absolutely cool.
Speaker 1:Well, hit me up next time. You need some, uh, some more ramblings about really bad stuff in the world and all the good that is possible yeah, anytime.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll have you on next week.
Speaker 2:I'll be in your DMs about Chiang Mai Please do it only takes an entire day to travel there. Ah, no biggie.
Speaker 4:It's like traveling to.
Speaker 3:Fargo.
Speaker 4:You've got to take like 10 flights to get in.
Speaker 3:It's worth it.
Speaker 2:Well, thanks again for joining us, man, we'll see you later Awesome guests, very cool. Awesome guests I was. I was surprised he actually looked familiar to me and I didn't place it. But the reason was I watched the uh when, when hatch was doing it, I saw pictures of him and the the uh. I don't know if he was there or what, but for some reason he looked familiar with that.
Speaker 3:At the Hatch Summit. Yeah, yeah, he was there. He was. That must have been him. Yeah, one of the speakers, I think, at one of the times when he started talking about the little kids.
Speaker 4:I don't know if you guys saw me, but ever since Olivia was born, when there's kids involved, I cry like a baby constantly, and so when there's kids involved, I cry like a baby constantly. I was like, oh shit. I was like, don't start crying on camera. This is too early in the episode to start crying over here.
Speaker 2:I'm going to turn my camera off.
Speaker 3:But yeah, that's crazy. It's such a good organization.
Speaker 4:I was too busy blinking my own tears out of my eyes. I was like you can't cry until Rebecca does.
Speaker 2:I just had to busy my mind on like you can't cry until Rebecca does. I just had to busy my mind on like okay, I'm going to find this website for him. I can't listen to all that stuff. But no, that's well. I think he kind of said it too. But I asked him why are so many people kind of resistant to pay attention to this type of thing? And I think one of the answers is because it makes people feel so bad they feel like they have to confront it right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they feel like to confront it right when it's yeah, like I can't, I can't. I can't do anything about apple hiring kids to make this iphone right, I'm not saying they do allegedly whatever.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I can't. I can't do anything about it can I well, you can now.
Speaker 2:Now you know. So I I don't know. I think maybe, hopefully, organizations like that will become the outlet for people that whenever they hear that, they're gonna be like you know what. I'm just gonna give something to this company because I know that they're going to take this money, or this organization because they're going to take the money and do the good with it that they should do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, on a bigger scale than what we can do.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I know Beck said it a few times like the $300 per kid.
Speaker 2:For two kids, right, for two kids kids.
Speaker 3:Yeah, three hundred dollars for two kids. Obviously it's not going to be 300 every single time, but but once that math is in your head.
Speaker 4:Yeah, when you're like the other day, you, you guys both know nate down in sarasota like he still hasn't made any videos on his youtube channel and he's asking about do I buy a gopro or insta 360? I'm like dude, just make a video but like now, if you drop, like you know, another thousand dollars on a camera, like in my mind, like I'm going to make that $300. Like I'm going to do that equation, I'm like, oh no, I'm not buying an Insta360.
Speaker 2:That's why I asked him the question, because you know the there's a, there's a purchase item that's been on my list. That's a total. In my opinion, it's something that I could really honestly use in business, because I have a plan for it.
Speaker 4:You're not getting it.
Speaker 2:now it's going to be really fun. Well, I think I will eventually, but I have to make sure that when I get it, not only do I get it and then I get the ROI that I need off of it, but now I'm like, well, I want to get the ROI plus, Let me see if I can 10X it and then give some of that. So it's just a different way to evaluate. But that's why I asked him that question Like how do you evaluate? Well, we need a camera, but if I take $300 from this donation in order to get that camera, then I'm not saving two kids and so it was interesting in what he thought about the impact of the purchase and not just the expense.
Speaker 4:And so.
Speaker 2:I mean for business too. I don't. You know it's kind of sounds bad relating it all to business, but they are running a, they have to run an effective organization of business to be able to provide the funds. So, from the business perspective, I've loved that analysis where they're not just looking at the expense but they are just looking at the impact and expense.
Speaker 4:So do you guys do anything like he was talking about at the end, like where you know he just turned over one of his commission checks. Do you guys do anything like that in your business? Do you have like a big thing you put money towards or an organization that is kind of near and dear to you guys? Do you guys do that?
Speaker 3:Not yet, but like when we were talking about it a couple of weeks ago. I'm like I need to implement this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a great idea.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's so easy. And it also gives your clients a way to be involved as well, where it's like hey, you know, if you're working with me, you know that X amount of every commission or whatever is going to go towards this organization, so it's not just we're money hungry realtors or whatever it's. We're doing this, obviously, because we have a livelihood that we have to make, but we're also helping people, we're helping our community and then we're helping a bigger cause in addition to all of that yeah, and being able to bring your clients and I think, I don't know, it's special, it's very, I feel, like you could have like a client event and have some special fundraising or something like that.
Speaker 2:Maybe we'll do that. We do a thing right now where we do 10 of our 10 of the profits go to charities and such, but I think it'd be nice to do or do you let your clients kind of weigh in on it?
Speaker 3:I pick it all you do they get no options, I used to give them a list I used to give them a list of and it was always military focused.
Speaker 4:It was, like you know, special Operators Transition Fund and the Navy SEAL Foundation, and I would put all that on a list. I'm like, hey, here's some else that you would like you know yours to go towards, let me know. And usually they would just pick one from the list. But every now and again there's like someone who had a kid or a friend that was impacted and they would like, well, I want it to go to the like whatever, the cancer foundation or something. So but we usually just provide them a list and they pick.
Speaker 3:It's like hey, I vetted out these organizations. Who would you like to donate? Some of them are not good. Yeah, some of them are not good. Yeah, you have what? 10 of whatever's coming in. That's actually going towards names.
Speaker 4:No with foundations. But I went to a city where the headquarters of a certain veteran foundation is located and, holy shit, it's a nice building. I'm like, yeah, a lot of that money could have gone to the actual veterans. So I no longer support that one.
Speaker 3:That's too bad. That's a shame.
Speaker 2:When the charitable organization is supposed to be donating to help wounded veterans is nicer than a veterans hospital.
Speaker 4:It's like oh, come on now. This looks like a Google place or a Tesla.
Speaker 2:I mean it's freaking awesome. Maybe just give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe that was donated to them by someone you never know.
Speaker 3:But the building the building was donated. I'm going to make a donation, but I only want it to go towards your building and your furniture and all of that stuff. People do that.
Speaker 2:People make a specific donation for those costs.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so they get a plaque on the front door or something. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:This bench was provided by Rick, who needs a bench.
Speaker 3:We have a perfectly good ground to sit on.
Speaker 2:But, like he said, you know, the bench was like $55,000, right. So a couple hundred bucks went to the bench and then the rest of it went to. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I would allow that.
Speaker 2:I'm okay with that that that's the kind of thing I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt he's trying I'm not buying it, but ray's trying. We don't know the specifics ray's trying yeah that's good stuff, that was a really cool, good guest becca. Yeah, thank you, good job, I'm just crushing it like me.
Speaker 4:You need to step up right back. I did bring a musician this time and his name wasn't.
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 3:There's no musician up a little bit. Actually, I don't know if he has any musical background. I forgot to ask about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we did ask. We avoided it that way. There's no coincidence for Rebecca. That's what it is. He wasn't a Matt and there's no music, no music. Well cool. Next one I're not excited about your own guest. Yeah, then should they really be. I think y'all are gonna love them them, them, because that's what we do.
Speaker 3:We say them until we actually reveal who it is I was thinking them, is it like them?
Speaker 4:is it multiple? Is it wait, can we?
Speaker 3:bring on multiple. Can we do guests never done?
Speaker 2:that. Well, you know we make up the rules. We'll have to talk about it. Maybe people have. If they've got to this far in the podcast, maybe they should vote somehow. Send us a DM.
Speaker 4:You'll see multiple more than one guest can your platform here, can it do a five?
Speaker 3:no, that's impossible. That's beyond it's technical.
Speaker 2:I don't know what the capabilities are, I think it's technical you can do a whole bunch.
Speaker 3:I want to say it's up to like 10 or something but the question is will Ray know how to do the format, or will he be asking us again at the beginning?
Speaker 2:how do I do this? That's exactly what happens you heard him earlier.
Speaker 4:Right, he's like as the tech guy.
Speaker 3:I should know how to do this.
Speaker 2:I couldn't pull up the website. Alright, that's enough all right well, I'll see y'all later bye.
